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July 8th, 2005

Forget What You’ve Heard About Remembering

How many times have you heard some version of the following?

“It’s estimated that we retain only 10% of what we hear. But by adding visual aids, the retention rate zooms to 50%.”

An internet search will lead you to dozens of different versions of this “statistic.” I quickly found this quote (or a version of it) used over a hundred times on presentation and education related Websites, and not once was any kind of reference provided that might hint at the source of the “data.” The 10% of what we hear numbers are usually given as fact and rarely even include the “it’s estimated” of my example. So is this oft quoted information a true Presentation Fact?

The quote above comes from a 1981 3M brochure promoting the use of overhead transparencies entitled “How to present more effectively – and win more favorable responses from more people in less time.” A banner across the upper left hand corner of this brochure reads “Highlights from an independent research study.” The retention quote is not technically part of the “independent research study,” but it would be easy for a casual reader to think it was.

In the field of education, this quote is often extended to the following: we remember 10% of what we hear, 20% of what we read, 50% of what we do, 75% of what we discuss and 90% of what we teach. Where I have seen any attribution for this version at all, it has been wrongfully attributed to psychiatrist and educator William Glasser.

With so many people out there using this quote so often with so much confidence and authority, you might reasonably assume there are numerous scientific studies or other thoughtful research behind the numbers that prove their validity.

You would be wrong.

The origin of the 10% of what we hear myth appears to be in the theories and writings of Edgar Dale and the famous “Cone of Experience” diagram he introduced in a 1946 textbook called “Audio Visual Methods in Teaching.” The Cone was simply a drawing he used to help illustrate his classification of different types of mediated learning experiences.

Over the years, Dale’s diagram had been so distorted that by the third edition of his textbook published in 1969, Dale devoted six pages in the chapter on the Cone to “Some possible misconceptions.”

According to Michael Molenda , an associate professor in the Instructional Systems Technology department at Indiana University:

“At some point someone conflated Dale’s Cone with a spurious chart that purports to show what percentage of information people remember under different learning conditions. The original version of this chart has been traced to the Socony-Vacuum Oil Company. Despite the lack of credibility, this formulation is widely quoted, usually without attribution, and in recent years has become repeatedly conflated with Dale’s Cone, with the percentage statements superimposed on the cone, replacing or supplementing Dale’s original categories.”

In other words, there is no scientific basis for the oft quoted memory retention percentages. For more information, read Molenda’s paper on this subject. Another resource of information on this topic that includes copies of Dale’s original illustration and an example of how it has been distorted is here.

If you remember only one thing from this article, remember that the 10% of what we hear “statistic” is not a Presentation Fact.

(Special thanks to Lee Potts for the Presentation Facts logo!)

Posted by Robert Befus in Presentation Facts

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17 Responses to “Forget What You’ve Heard About Remembering”

  1. Richard Bray says:

    Little bit more science from the Univ. of Nebraska Medical Centre, with actual references included.

    Research suggests that learners more easily comprehend and recall new material when trainers present the new content in television, video, or other multi-media formats that allow participants to both hear and see the information (Gunter, et al. 2000; Molen, et al. 2000; Lalley 1998). This dual-encoding process reinforces information in multiple brain areas, thereby increasing the chances that the material will be stored in long-term memory, Gunter (2000) and Molen (2000) suggest. Brain areas impacted include the hippocampus (which mediates semantic and episodic memory), the occipital lobe (visual and spatial perception), the auditory cortex (hearing), the amygdala (emotional memories), the prefrontal cortex (logic, decision-making), and the thalamus (sensory regulation).

    In a study of 166 students (aged 10 and 11 years), Gunter’s team compared subjects’ recall of news information from television versus from audio-only or printed text presentations of the same narrative content. The results indicated that students learned more from television news than from the print or audio versions, regardless of their reading proficiency.

    Molen and colleagues (2000) compared the memory recall of five children’s stories among 192 children in grades 4 and 6 using varying media, including the original TV version, a minimal print version, a print version with photos, and an audio version. Results from a memory test showed that the television version was better recalled compared to the other media types.

    Previous studies have suggested that the average retention rate of information obtained through lecture and reading is only 5 percent and 10 percent respectively after 24 hours. But the retention rate improves to 20 percent with audio/visual stimuli, 30 percent with demonstration, 50 percent with discussion group involvement, 75 percent with practice-by-doing, and to 90 percent when the learner uses the information to teach others (Sousa 1995).

    And in a comparison of text and video as forms of feedback during computer-assisted learning among 60 students in ninth and tenth grades, Lalley (1998) found that video feedback resulted in superior learning and comprehension and that students preferred video to text as feedback.

    http://www.unmc.edu/mmi/learn/brainfacts.htm#Recall%20Is%20Best

  2. Robert Befus says:

    Very interesting Richard. I look forward to reviewing this in more detail. A couple of things jump out at me though. First, it looks to me like the 1995 Sousa reference probably picks up on the distorted Edgar Dale info.

    Secondly, the increase in learning and recall when television was used is attributed to the media. I am not sure you can conclude that. I wonder if it could be due more to the way a television story is put together. I am reading Jerry Weissman’s book “Presenting to Win” which draws heavily on his years in television news. His whole point is that the story line is more important than the delivery.

  3. tom bunzel says:

    This is all interesting stuff and I think it highlights how difficult it is to create a metric when it comes to communication and comprehension.

    Look at the controversy over what the SAT’s “measure” in the verbal area.

    Regardless of the effects of visuals, I lament the degeneration of the (proper) use of language and its inevitable contribution to the demise of critical thought and intelligence.

    What prompted this response is a terrific essay in Newsweek about the use of
    “weasel words” in modern day business and other areas to avoid true communication.

    Is it possible that there is a relationship between an undue reliance on “visuals” and a corresponding decline in the precise and effective use of language? I for one am certain of it.

  4. Sandy Johnson says:

    In a search for the notorious 1980s 3M study I came upon this reprint from Presentations magazine. It provides some sourcing information for this figure at:
    http://www.3m.com/meetingnetwork/presentations/pmag_visualsstudy.html

    “A recent study by the Management Information Systems Research Center at the University of Minnesota and 3M found that presentations that use visual support are more persuasive than ones that don’t — 43 percent more persuasive, in fact.”

    The credit the information find to “presentation skills training company Decker Communications, 800.523.7039, 415.391.5544.”

  5. Robert Befus says:

    Tom – I am finding some very well done studies with reliable data… but they are hard to find. Some have designed elaborate models and metrics for persuasive effectiveness.

    The degeneration of language is a whole different matter IMO. I would hypothesize (guess) that the decline in use of language is related more to cultural changes than use of visuals… unless by “visuals” you are referring to popular media (TV, Hollywood etc).

  6. Robert Befus says:

    Thanks Sandy – the sourcing on a lot of this information has been very convoluted over the years. The next Presentation Facts post attempts to clarify the 1981 Wharton Study.

  7. the screaming pages » Dale’s Cone of Experience says:

    [...] Visual Being: Forget What You’ve Heard About Remembering [...]

  8. John Aiken says:

    I found your on comments very intriguing. We have used quotes similar on the subject of remembering in the past. Once source where we found it wsa in a paper entitled Learning and Teaching Style in Engineering Education [Engr. Educatoin, 78(7), 674-681 (1998)] The reference for the text in the paper cites a paper by J.E. Stice, (reference #21) entitled “Using Kolb’s Learning Cycle to Improve Student Learning” [Engineering Education, vol. 77, no 5, Feb. 1987, pp. 291-296] as the source for the information. However, I have been unable to locate the paper online and was wondering if you were familiar with this paper and have also been able to discount the credibility of the information contained within.

  9. Robert Befus says:

    John – I am not familiar with the Stice paper – but we will try to find it and report back.

  10. Stacey says:

    Robert- I find this entire conversation intriguing… I work in educational research and we have been presented with similar statistics that compare retention of learning from 10%, 20% to 80% depending on the modalities of teaching/learning (audio, visual, audio+visual, etc.)employed. In fact I came across your blog during a search to try and substantiate with a valid study the percentages that have been quoted in the educational community for many years.

    I anticipate hearing your thoughts on the Stice paper and some finality to this matter.

  11. Robert Befus says:

    John – the language used in Felder’s 1988 paper leads me to believe that the Stice paper he refers to must have pulled some erroneous information out of the Socony-Vacuum Oil Company (now ExxonMobil) “study” which is known to have misrepresented Dale’s theory. I haven’t been able to get a hold of the Socony-Vacuum piece.

    Doesn’t look like the Stice study is readily available either, but I am contacing Professor Stice at the University of Texas to see if I can get some more information.

  12. Matthias Drochner says:

    Just like Stacey I’m very interested in uncovering of some hard and scientifically reliable facts (Stice and others). I’m am particularly interested in the effectiveness of simulation and role-play in instruction (i.e., in teaching/learning public speaking, counseling, etc.). Can anyone point me in some direction?

    Here’s an encyclopedia article on the cone:
    http://www.indiana.edu/~molpage/Cone%20of%20Experience_text.pdf

  13. Matthias Drochner says:

    Whooops, I thought I had pulled the encyclopedia article link above from a different website….

  14. Robert Befus says:

    I received a lengthy response from Professor Stice. If you would like a copy, please send me a note and I will forward it to you (rbefus@pstrat.com). He also sent me a copy of the Kolb article which I can send if you as well.

    He confirmed that there is no support for the retention numbers so often quoted. Stice also referred me to this article for aditional information:
    http://www.willatworklearning.com/2006/05/people_remember.html

  15. Cassandra "D.I.V.A. of Dialog" Lee says:

    Thank you for this great article that helps me to understand much better the statistic on remembering.

    I had been searching several places to find the “real” statistics only to come across your website and learn that the “real” statistics don’t exist.

    I appreciate you helping this self-development expert and author remain abreast of the real information so that I am not teaching my audiences the wrong thing.

    Thanks.

  16. Sapientia ex machina: A blog about computers and education says:

    [...] Several bloggers have likewise been struck by the curious disconnect between the popularity of this statistic and its relation to reality.  Despite its readily apparent dodginess (We remember 90% of what we experience?  So I perfectly remember everything I did for nine out of the last ten years?), people love quoting this thing. [...]

  17. Colleen Bell says:

    Check out Dan Vogler, University of Michigan, School of Education, Occupational Education Program